Again, new to this.. is this a 1943/2 P nickel?

[Linguist208]

I promise I won't spam the group with tons of posts, but I also found this 1943 P that has my newbie's eye thinking this just **might** be a 1943/2.

I know every new collector sees errors and varieties everywhere, but I don't have a mentor to ask

Thanks for your help!

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[Stratman66]

Hi I am fairly new also. Can you get a picture of the reverse of this coin? You should see the mint mark on the right hand side of the building.

[Linguist208]

Oh, this is definitely a 1943 P silver alloy war nickel, with a P mintmark above Monticello. The question here is strictly whether this is a 3/2 in the date.

[MintErrors]

In My opinion, It does not look like it.
There are some good photos of what it should look like are at NGC's Resource page under Variety Plus:

https://www.ngccoin.com/variety-plus...8-date/816123/

[Petespockets55]

The reason for looking at the MM is to check the location of it. The MM on the overdate would be oriented in a certain way and that might help make a determination with your coin.
If the MM location isn't helpful, you could try a soak first in water to see if any of the gunk comes off around the date and then try an acetone soak.

[Linguist208]

I'll send a picture of the mint mark if you folks think it's relevant, but: I'm asking about the 3 in the date, which is on the OBVERSE of the coin. The mint mark, which I am not thinking is an error of any kind, is on the REVERSE of the coin, and isn't involved in any way (and it's the large "P" in the top center, not the small letter to the right of the building, as this is, as I said, a silver-alloy war-years coin).

[Ronald]

I'll send a picture of the mint mark if you folks think it's relevant, but: I'm asking about the 3 in the date, which is on the OBVERSE of the coin. The mint mark, which I am not thinking is an error of any kind, is on the REVERSE of the coin, and isn't involved in any way (and it's the large "P" in the top center, not the small letter to the right of the building, as this is, as I said, a silver-alloy war-years coin).

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[Petespockets55]

I'll send a picture of the mint mark if you folks think it's relevant, but: I'm asking about the 3 in the date, which is on the OBVERSE of the coin. The mint mark, which I am not thinking is an error of any kind, is on the REVERSE of the coin, and isn't involved in any way (and it's the large "P" in the top center, not the small letter to the right of the building, as this is, as I said, a silver-alloy war-years coin).

First, let me start by providing the link to Variety Vista for the variety you are hoping for. (I don't know if you are familiar with the site.)
Click on the link and it will take you to the listing on Variety Vista.
http://varietyvista.com/04a%20JN%20DD%20Vol%201/DDO%20Detail%20Pages/1943PDDO003.htm

I'll say it a little different this time.
The mint mark location can be an aid in attributing a variety. When a mint mark is placed on a die by hand the location will vary. Sometimes a little and sometimes a lot. It can be aligned straight up and down (North/South, it can be tilted or slightly rotated, it can be shifted East or West slightly or a lot, it can be inverted ("upside down"), etc.

These orientations can be used to verify a variety.
You will also notice on the link above that the variety you are asking about is a DDR.

Let us know if you are able to verify the variety by looking at the link above using the mint mark or any of the other markers that might be on the images.

We would love for you to have found that variety. Send an image of the MM, or let us know if you are able to match up any of the other markers.

[Linguist208]

You will also notice on the link above that the variety you are asking about is a DDR.

http://varietyvista.com/04a%20JN%20D...943PDDO003.htm

You mean DDO, no?

I'll include all new pictures here, if you all really want me to. I'm still not sure why, though. I'm asking about a specific feature of a specific part of a coin. And the reason I'm asking here is that I've LOOKED at Variety Vista, and I've looked here on the Master List, and I'm so new at this that I can't tell if I'm actually seeing what I think I see. You can send me to a million pictures, and I'll still keep saying, "Hmmm.... I'm not sure..."

In other words, I'm not asking for someone to tell me where to look to figure it out myself, I'm asking for someone to tell me if 'm doing this right.

(And, having taken much better pictures with a better scope app, I can see that this is clearly NOT what I thought it was. I was fooled by some discoloration that is much clearer now. So, thanks anyway.)

[Ronald]

http://varietyvista.com/04a%20JN%20D...943PDDO003.htm

You mean DDO, no?

I'll include all new pictures here, if you all really want me to. I'm still not sure why, though. I'm asking about a specific feature of a specific part of a coin. And the reason I'm asking here is that I've LOOKED at Variety Vista, and I've looked here on the Master List, and I'm so new at this that I can't tell if I'm actually seeing what I think I see. You can send me to a million pictures, and I'll still keep saying, "Hmmm.... I'm not sure..."

In other words, I'm not asking for someone to tell me where to look to figure it out myself, I'm asking for someone to tell me if 'm doing this right.

(And, having taken much better pictures with a better scope app, I can see that this is clearly NOT what I thought it was. I was fooled by some discoloration that is much clearer now. So, thanks anyway.)

I am very certain that helping you do it right was the intent in helping you to figure how to figure it out by yourself. And now that you have done that you can read back and see that your conclusion was mentioned. There is no need to post more pictures if you now already answered the question with a little help from our friends. I am thinking stratman66 would learn something if you did post a picture of the whole reverse for this date/coin. Coneca is an educational/informational site, not an appraisal or coin value shop.

The seeing of images or shapes in coins, clouds, rugs, floors etc that are not actually there is called pareidolia and has created many a discussion.

[Petespockets55]

Congratulations on discovering the answer with the new scope. It can be exhilarating for each of us when we see something (that final clue) that answers our question about a coin. Stains on coins can be tricky littel devils and have gotten a lot of us. Sometimes it takes turning the coin 360 degrees and changing the angle of the light to see a stain.

I'm glad you are familiar with Variety Vista.

http://varietyvista.com/04a%20JN%20D...943PDDO003.htm

You mean DDO, no?

The short answer is no, I didn't mean DDO.
Your question was about a 1943/1942 DDO (and DDR) variety that already exists. That DDO variety is also a DDR. Dual varieties on the same coin don't happen very often. I was trying to point out to you that if you had the variety, you could use the DDR design to confirm the overdate as well.

... In other words, I'm not asking for someone to tell me where to look to figure it out myself, I'm asking for someone to tell me if 'm doing this right.

(And, having taken much better pictures with a better scope app, I can see that this is clearly NOT what I thought it was. I was fooled by some discoloration that is much clearer now. So, thanks anyway.)

You are doing this right.
Posting images, thinking, asking questions, replying, reevaluating the coin, and .... learning.
The more you do it the easier it becomes ... well sort of. LOL