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Disturbing Roosevelt Struck Thru - Torched U.S.

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  • Disturbing Roosevelt Struck Thru - Torched U.S.

    Has anyone ever seen this effect on a Roosevelt dime? To me, the placement is just uncanny. With zero to moderate magnification, it looks for all the world like the liberty torch is melting/smoking away the barely visible "TES OF".

    I'm curious how compelling this would be to error collectors. Beyond that, I find it to be an unsettling / disturbing / thought provoking image at this time. As the fiction and futility of our economy is exposed, we need to set our sights higher than "keep the train rolling". Just my 10 cents.
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    It's a strike-through error. There's no way to establish the nature and origin of the obstructing matter. Strike-through errors of this size have only slight value.
    Mike Diamond. Error coin writer and researcher.

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    • #3
      But what about the big picture?

      Originally posted by diamond View Post
      Strike-through errors of this size have only slight value.
      I know that's true in general. But what about looking at the big picture - like with that burning bridge on the state quarter. Did you look at the full-size image? If anyone else can come up with another Roosevelt reverse strike thru that's so perfectly integrated with the torch, please refer them to me and I will pay a premium over "slight value".

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        Kevin,
        I am curious to hear what exactly you are trying to get at with the 'Big Picture' statement. I don't think there is any 'Big Picture' associated with coinage with the types of errors you describe and picture here. You see it as one thing, but the majority of folks will see it as simply as an error coin. Sure, the economy is in the dumps, but it sure isn't because of these two coins. As far as how collectible it would be, there are lots of collectors to have a vivid imagination, and can make something out of anything. If this type of error sparks imagination or some similarity to something else, and you are willing to pay a premium over 'slight value' (which I am still trying to figure out), then that is some of the fun in numismatics. I am sure that if you look at any type of coin with an error of some sort, you can pretty much make it say what you want. Good luck on your search!
        Bob Piazza
        Lincoln Cent Attributer

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mustbebob View Post
          Kevin,
          I am curious to hear what exactly you are trying to get at with the 'Big Picture' statement.
          Mainly, I was trying to distinguish between the formulaic valuation based on struck thru size, versus a subjective appraisal of how interesting and unusual the visual is. Taking a step back from your expertise of trees to appreciate a striking forest scene. Maybe this burning bridge quarter headline and image would help you understand the type of distinction I'm trying to make. An element of imagination does not necessarily mean I'm arbitrarily making something out of anything. The main goal in posting the photos was to ask if anyone else found the visual effect especially interesting. So far, I have two NOs.

          Originally posted by mustbebob View Post
          Kevin,
          Sure, the economy is in the dumps, but it sure isn't because of these two coins.
          It's two photos of the same coin. I didn't mean to imply that this coin caused the economy to go in the dumps. I do want to emphasize that I take no pleasure in our nation's troubles, but I'm concerned that we do future generations a disservice by framing as a temporary derailing what may well be a predictable and self-imposed train wreck brought on by decades of greed, waste and foolishness. See Chris Martenson's Crash Course for a concise presentation of some realities I've been gradually waking up to over the last 12 years.

          Originally posted by mustbebob View Post
          Kevin,
          If this type of error sparks imagination or some similarity to something else, and you are willing to pay a premium over 'slight value' (which I am still trying to figure out), then that is some of the fun in numismatics.
          "Slight value" was diamond's terminology for errors of this type.

          I hope that I and Chris Martenson are wrong and we can all enjoy the peace and prosperity to share fun and valuable numismatic oddities with our children for generations to come.
          Last edited by kevinB; 10-18-2008, 01:27 PM. Reason: change "greed and foolishness" to "greed, waste and foolishness"

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          • #6
            I hear what you're saying Kevin. I certainly respect anyone's right to their opinion. There are avenues to discuss those opinions, I just don't think it is here. That's all.
            Bob Piazza
            Lincoln Cent Attributer

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mustbebob View Post
              I hear what you're saying Kevin. I certainly respect anyone's right to their opinion. There are avenues to discuss those opinions, I just don't think it is here. That's all.
              Agreed. I'll try to keep the future communications more objective. Thanks to all for the excellent expertise and generous help.

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