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[Rodeo514]

Hello,
This is my first post so I am hoping I am in the right place. I have a 2005 D Lincoln that appears to have a Double Die on the Reverse of America. Can I get an opinion of how I may register this coin? b20220706160524086.jpg

[MintErrors]

The photos are fuzzy when I attempt to take a close look at this coin.

Is the area around the date a strike through, or is it damage post mint?

[Rodeo514]

The area around the date looks like a struck through. Sorry about the fuzz. This is my new amscope and I'm trying to make fine adjustments. The AM on Reverse is what I am curious about.i hope those reverse pics are clearer for you. I also found a mark by the hall too

[PNWMAKES]

The second A looks like it is pressed in ie. a vise coin. Just my opinion, Let see what others say.

[MintErrors]

IF the obverse had a semi significant strike through issue, it may have affected the reverse as well. The planchet may have become unstable or unsettled and caused the reverse to offer some sort of odd looking presentation.

I will add that the date DOES appear suspicious since it looks like the area was skidded or slidden.
That is an effect that occurs when coins are put under pressure, like the vise job PNW suggests.


I have had AMSCOPES for over a decade, any questions please feel free to ask via private message or a post in the general forum.

[mustbebob]

We do not list errors on Variety Vista, we list Varieties such as doubled dies and repunched mint marks. The struck throughs are not listed anywhere either as each coin will be a bit different. You mentioned you want to register the coin, but we don't do that.
My suggestion is that you have an examiner verify what you have. Once you have that, an option is to send it to a third party grading service (like PCGS) along with a letter from the examiner and see if they will put it on a slab for you. This is normally pretty expensive and you may not recoup the grading fees. If that is what you want, I will get you an email address for someone to look at it for you and you can take it from there.

[Rodeo514]

Gary when you say IF the obverse had a semi significant strike through issue, it may have affected the reverse as well. The planchet may have become unstable or unsettled and caused the reverse to offer some sort of odd looking presentation.
There is a " skid " on the obverse as you say .I also thought that ,so would that make it a mint error?
how would I tell if it's a ln error or a vise job by a human? Thanks for input

[Rodeo514]

Thanks Bob, I'll take the name although someone named John on this site Gave me his info,so it may be same person .

[MintErrors]

Gary when you say IF the obverse had a semi significant strike through issue, it may have affected the reverse as well. The planchet may have become unstable or unsettled and caused the reverse to offer some sort of odd looking presentation.
There is a " skid " on the obverse as you say .I also thought that ,so would that make it a mint error?
how would I tell if it's a ln error or a vise job by a human? Thanks for input

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Normal vise jobs will show damage on the rim some where. We don't have a full obverse and reverse of the coin, so we cannot assess the whole coin, only what is presented to us.

Let's cannonball into this coin.

All this is my opinion, and I will try my best to make it comprehensive.

I do not believe this is a discovery piece in any way, shape or form.

The obverse has the potential to be a strike through, but that area should be dented into the coin.

Careful inspection should reveal that the zinc core may be visible and has leaked some of that zinc core onto the surface of the coin.
One thing that can be done, is take a good clear photo of the obverse and the reverse. What needs to be determined is if that "damage" on the reverse side is in the exact same spot for both the obverse and reverse. Typically strike throughs only affect one side of the coin, and rarely are they on both sides, at the near exact location.

Let's say it is in the same location. IF it was, that may have been the area where a "C" style clamp or vise may have come on contact with the coin. As the the device is screwed down upon the coin and pressure is exerted upon the coin, they have a habit to slide a little since the surfaces are pretty slick.

It could have been a gas bubble that erupted, but that should not be dented in, some of the material would be raised, some lower. Hard to explain, almost like a deflated hot air balloon mostly sunk in water.

The reverse could have "coin counter" damage done to it, but again, its difficult to assess, since we don't have full obverse and reverse photos. look for scrapes and damage around the coin which shows a "halo" style line, or damage in an semi circular pattern, about the same distance from the rim. It probably will not be all the way around the coin, but at certain heights and conditions, you might see enough to determine the coin was stuck in a coin counter and the reverse was damaged due to running circles in place for a period of time.

With circulated coins, it is Tough to make a confident call without having the coin in hand to examine it. A local coin shop may inspect it, but it may not be their
area of expertise and may or may not make the correct call.

In my opinion, it is not a coin that I would send in to get verified to third party grading systems. The overall value may not exceed cost of the fees/services incurred from the TPG companies.

There is a lot of possibilities here, but if you decide you want to place a post here on CONECA forums, and see if an examiner will give your their opinion on what it is as well. They may decide they want to see it and postage and fees will be significantly lower than at TPG sites.

I will see if I can find a few date strike throughs and attach them to a reply here, but I am swamped this week. It may take a few days to get back to this, so bear with any "slow" responses.

Any question at all about this coin, please feel free to ask.

[MintErrors]

Gary when you say IF the obverse had a semi significant strike through issue, it may have affected the reverse as well. The planchet may have become unstable or unsettled and caused the reverse to offer some sort of odd looking presentation.
There is a " skid " on the obverse as you say .I also thought that ,so would that make it a mint error?
how would I tell if it's a ln error or a vise job by a human? Thanks for input

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Here are a few different strike throughs. they all were taken hastily with my Samsung S9+.


Struck through debris

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Struck through fragment.

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Struck through grease (extreme)

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