1958D RPM???

[Shleppodella1]

This one is really looking like RPM002. The markers are die crack forehead and above eyebrow with die chip on nose. The mintmark is CW. Eagle also has a die crack thru head and bottom of George's bust and beak broken along with UN in UNUM.

[MintErrors]

In my opinion, that mintmark has some damage to the south.
What we would probably need to see on some of the mint mark photos from you is lighting from above. It would be nice to see the vehicle bar lit up, so your coin can be compared to the documented examples.

That D mi tmark was hammered into the working die, and its a small hole, that working dies squeeze together. That D becomes filled with metal and the when the working dies start to separate, the die moves just a tad and can sheer off a part of that mintmark. It's like taking a big gulp sized cup, filled with sand, and slamming that down on level ground while blind folded, and within a split second, reomoving that cup, trying not to damage that tower of sand. The end result is basically why some mintmarks look sheered. Additionally, not all mintmarks are punched into the working die absolutely straight into the working die. That small little area needs a near perfect alignment for it to come out damage free.

The lighting height/angle appears to be low, and hitting the damaged portion of the mintmark. This gives off some glare from the reflection, and at least for me, is too bright in that area.

Eric will probably chime in on this one soon.

[Shleppodella1]

I'm not understanding what you mean by a vehicle bar, but I did try to take as close up of a magnified picture as possible for you with different lighting. I'm not sure how to take the angle you're looking for.

[eaxtellcoin]

Hello Shleppodella1,
What you are seeing to the south is a bag mark - another coin hit the mintmark causing the damage. Take a look at 1958-D RPM002 25C at Variety Vista. The RPM Dr. Wiles is attributing is mostly on the upper serifs. I edited your photo's to where the RPM should be. The coin aboves position in close and it has the markers BUT I have not seen one photo that shows the actual RPM.

What Gary is asking you is to show the seperation on the upper serif - " in a photo " that shows the verticle bar of the RPM.
I do not see an RPM, "Re Punched Mintmark" in the above photo's.
Sorry Eric

1958D_Coneca.jpg

[MintErrors]

I did not catch the autospelling changing vertical bar to vehicle bar.

Eric is right. Yeah, what he said.

One thing to note. Some markers/pups are in areas on coins which are common for coins to fail. This is one example. The highest raised areas on the the coin are the deepest sunk into the die. To me that means that area is slightly more vulnerable to damage like die chips, die cracks and potentially other problems. One should not rely on just markers to force an attribution. They can assist in attributing a RPM, BUT first an RPM should be readily seen.

As I said above, if the D looks like damage, it probably is.
The varietyvista photos show the slight separation where one D was punched over a weaker D and slightly off axis. That area is critical for attribution of RPM 002, but to me was dark in the photos.

Much like doubled dies, these RPMs photos from reference sites are what should be seen on the coin in hand. The RPMS too are hammered into the steel working die. They create cents that look exactly the same from the photos on reference sites.