1958D RPM-011

[Shleppodella1]

It has the upper and lower split sherifs. There's no gouge in IGWT like the one in Variety Vista. It also looks like 1958D-1MM-022 for reference as best as my untrained eye can see so far.

[MintErrors]

In my opinion, 022 on varietyvista has the remnants of the weaker punch to the south and east. I do not see that on your coin photo.

That numbering system resembles coppercoins. It's important to note where the photo was compared to. Honestly, its best to put the link in the post if you have it handy, to avoid confusion.

https://coppercoins.com/lincoln/dies...&die_state=mds

Not all websites use the same numbering system. Not all of them use the same cross reference numbering system to match up to a CONECA master list number. For example, a CONECA number might be 001, where as another web site might list it with their numbering system as 003, and if they are willing, might cross reference it to the correct CONECA number some where on the web page. If it is not cross referenced to CONECA, maybe at the time of its finding, it was considered too minor to list.

I am currently not at the pc, so i wont be able to do an overlay. But a quick look seems to be a possibilty. It would be great if there was an additional photo which shows those split serifs with a touch more light on them.

[Shleppodella1]

Is this a RPM with upper and lower split sherifs correct?
OK I added another picture with better top lighting and magnification. How do you do the add the link please I wanted to add it, but my uneducated computer skills would not let me.

[MintErrors]

It looks like a RPM. It looks like a minor one which may be listed at coppercoins or, possibly doubleddie. As for the website link, you might be able to find a good YouTube video to follow on how to do this. It's a bit off topic, but I will try to assist.

If you go to any website, the address bar in the web browser is at the top of the web page. You can click on that address area where the https address is, and on the keyboard if using a pc, use the CTRL and C to copy. Then, place your cursor on the area within the post, where you want the link to appear, and hit CTRL and V. That should paste it at that clicked spot.

It's not required to do this, it just helps the people attempting to assist where the coin is and its one less thing to do. Your photos are good. The centered photos make it easier to do a overlay in paint dot net, or other freebie program. I should be back in the home office soon. If I can fit this task on the daily bucket list, I will tell you the results here.

[MintErrors]

Shleppodella1
After messing with the photo sizes, I was able to get the images somewhat the same size. The overlay was really close so yes, it matches up with the following variety:

https://coppercoins.com/lincoln/dies...&die_state=mds

Great work for helping on the attribution, it made the process less tedious. In my opinion, people simply slap down a coin and want some one else to do all the work. I am willing to help people who are willing to help themselves. Thanks for your assistance.

[Shleppodella1]

Thanks again Gary for the help and I definitely don't mind doing the work I'm just looking to make sure I'm getting it right . I will also now inact the new "trick" you just taught me with inserting addresses. Beings how I do absolutely love numistics & wanna try and get it correct at least.

[eaxtellcoin]

Evening Shleppodella1,
By Chance does your coin have any part of the strong spiked head shown as a marker on 1MM-022 CC?

I went through all my Wexler only listings. The coin above is not Wexler 012,018,022,039,040,044,046,048,052,053,056,061,06 4,065,066,069,070,072,073,074,077,082,083,088,090, 0r 100. These are the ones I have a good copy of, I didn't check the Wexler / CC crosses I do have because I figured someone would call out the #. If it is CC 1MM-022 I cannot help - don't have that one. !! Thanks for doing all the work Gary.
Eric

[Shleppodella1]

No spiked head on mine as a P.U.P. but in my opinion the RPM on 022 looks about 95% like my post so that was why I used it as a reference because it was the closet I could find as a match on their site to assist in researching.
Did I make a mistake?

[eaxtellcoin]

No mistake intended - We cannot copy CC's photo's, so we cannot overlay to be 100% sure.
I looked at your mintmark position and 1MM-022 and yes it is very close but i'm just not sure. It's a minor listing. Might want to go to Coneca Services - variety attributions and post the second and third photo there. I'm there also but not doing attributions, John might be able to help.
Merry Christmas!
Eric

[MintErrors]

Only thing I would like to add is there is a crack on Lincolns head, and it ends just below the E in WE. It does not appear to make it to the field, but I would imagine over time and more strikes, it could have some potential to make it to the rim. That's the good thing about posting and reviewing those photos with an android tablet. I can zoom in pretty well and some times, have a good view of the OP's coin.

[eaxtellcoin]

1958-D_Coneca.jpg
The curve in the die crack doesn't appear the same. it to me appears to turn more towards the E in WE. instead of turning NNE towards the T in TRUST.
I'm not sure exactly from the photo provided but if that is the crack at 12:15 just to the east of the "E" in WE then it's not the correct variety.
Think of it this way: A die crack just like any date/mintmark"Placement on coin" will stay with the same position on the planchet as the die wears, except it could get longer or more towards the rim in the case of a die crack.. Notice the upper arrow there seems to be a slight curve in the die crack that goes somewhat back NW then turns back NE. The photo on CC appears to go vertually strait towards the T in Trust. And there is a what appears to be a second die crack moving in the same direction un like the OP's coin. Light blue arrow

[Shleppodella1]

Question:
If I send this in and ask it to be graded as an error do they determine if it's an error i.e., RPM or what not if I pay the proper fees or do I have to decide the error or RPM (if it is) and assign it the proper number or title first? Or do they just do something else because I have sent many regular coins but never an error.
Because some errors are obviously worth more than others but some collectors want it on that label or they just don't believe it.

[MintErrors]

In my opinion this is a variety. Make sure the form reflects that. The RPM has to be "recognized" by the third party grading service. What I think they mean by this is, they some how have a documented example or have some one willing to dedicate the time and effort to concur with your finding. If you put on the form a particular rpm number and it is a different ROM, I don't know if the attributor is required to tell you which one it is or, can they simply state something like "not the variety described".

Again, I tell people it's all about return on investment. At best, this potentially minor RPM may be worth a few bucks. To get it slabbed, a variety fee, and return postage, plus any other fees there may be, it's going to be very costly. Most people I talk to at shows and via email have a hard time determing values of the varieties. It's on the PCGS or NGC website, but they only list the high value or trendy style varieties like the FS series from Cherrypickers guide.

It depends on where you are sending it in to....ANACS, NGC or PCGS.
Two of the three require a membership.
Some charge extra for a variety fee on top of slabbing fee.
Some charge a handling fee per total order (Ngc 10 bucks)
Return shipping (back to you) can be close to 30 bucks.
If you send the coin in by yourself, it's best to call/email the TPG to ask them questions you may have. It's best to have something in writing, in case things go south.

We cannot answer those questions for the grading service.
They have to. As far as numbering a potential new rpm, its not up to the TPG.
We don't know who will attribute the coin, if its done in house at the TPG or, if the TPG sends it off to an expert.

It may be too minor for a CONECA number at this time.
I think there is a lot involved in identifying a new rpm, a d itsbased on who is willing to list it first, then with coordination between the attributor and the TPG, if they are willing to do so, may list it on the word of the attributor.

If the plan is to send it in just to have it slabbed as a find and your personally going to keep it, then it's a decision you will have to make. People do slabcoins for protection and to keep, but I believe it has to make sense to the person who owns it.