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Possible 1999 P PA 25c DDO

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    Possible 1999 P PA 25c DDO



    Instead of the typical 'earlobe' doubling - this extra bit of ear happens to be at the back of the ear. It does not appear to be Mechanical/Strike doubling (aka MD). But I'm not sure if there is enough of anything there to prove one way or another whether it is a die dent, gouge, or a DDO - not with my equipment anyway. I'll leave the DDO (or not) call to the pros on this one.

    Other recent 'State Quarter' finds (all yet to be attributed)...

    A 2004 P Michigan 25c doubled earlobe


    A 2007 P Idaho 25c minor doubled earlobe


    A 2006 P Colorado 25c doubled earlobe


    A 2008 P Hawaii 25c minor doubled earlobe


    Until the 'State Quarter' program came along - there was not much cause to search bank rolls of Washington quarters (post 64). Now there are lots of little die varieties to find (and a few are actually pretty decent varieties).
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    Seems funny that you will leave it to the pros, when you are one yourself. They all look great to me as doubled dies.

    BJ Neff
    Member of: ANA, CCC, CONECA, Fly-in-club, FUN, NLG & T.E.V.E.C.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by wavysteps View Post
      Seems funny that you will leave it to the pros, when you are one yourself. They all look great to me as doubled dies.

      BJ Neff
      Nice of you to say -- but I think I have a long way to go. It was not that long ago when I was doing back-flips over MD discoveries. OK - maybe I'm not a rookie anymore. I know what I know -- which is not much and mostly involves only recent 'Tilted Hub' varieties. But there is a lot I don't know. The "pros" I am referring to have a lot more history in the hobby that I do - and we all know, there is no substitute for experience. I'm thankful that you and others are willing to share there knowledge on this and other forums. I don't know where I'd be without the feedback I get from my posts. If left to figure this stuff out on my own, I think I'd have about 10,000 MD 'double die' coins in my collection by now.

      For you rookies out there... keep trying. Most of my first posts involved master die doubling, strike doubling, and post-mint damaged coins (all stuff with little or no added value) -- and it was frustrating at first. But all this will fade away when you make your first great find.
      Last edited by russellhome; 11-26-2008, 06:38 PM.

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      • #4
        Here is a possible DDR on a Louisiana Denver minted quarter. What do you think....possibilities? No evidence of clashing anywhere.
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        Bob Piazza
        Lincoln Cent Attributer

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        • #5
          I don't know about that one. It looks more like a clash mark to me. On that particular design, the area around the ear and under the neck (a frequent cause of clash marks) has no field area to clash with since this area would be within the evenly raised area of the state outline. So it is possible that there would be little sign of a clash. And the hair from Washington's ponytail crosses the area where your mark occurs.

          The only problem is, when I do an overlay, the mark on your coin appears to be going a different direction than I would expect the clashmark from the ponytail to go. But if the dies were misaligned or rotated, such a clash mark is possible. So if your quarter has a rotated die - I'd say it is a clash mark. If not - then your guess is as good (if not better) than mine. I've seen some wierd doubling in recent issues - particularly with the OIV nickels. In many cases, the source of the doublig is less than obvious. That is where the 3D stereo scopes come in handy.

          So this coin is like the one in my original post. I don't have the experience or equipment to make this call. That is what the professional attributors are for.

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          • #6
            Does this area on Bobs' quarter look like remnants of a clash?

            Larry Nienaber
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            • #7
              Larry,
              The area you are pointing out is not a clash. It's just a dirt smudge or shadow.
              I have been playing with overlays on this thing for days. I have attempted to match it to a misaligned die clash as well. The closest I could get to matching the anomaly was a portion of the United States outline due north from the anomaly. I'm about ready to give up on this one for a while and come back to it some other time. There is really no evidence of a clash anywhere on this coin.
              Bob Piazza
              Lincoln Cent Attributer

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              • #8
                FYI: I just got word back from Wexler on a recent submission. The PA quarter from the original post having doubling at the back of the ear was listed by Wexler as a DDO.

                The Michigan quarter I show above was also a listed DDO (WDDO-001). But it is a Denver quarter (not a P as I stated). I guess I should pay more attention.

                The Hawaii and Idaho DDOs were both listed as WDDO-001 and the Colorado shown above was listed as WDDO-003.

                I also sent Wexler that Oregon quarter with the odd die gouges/dents that I posted in the Error Coin category. He agreed that it was indeed very strange -- and like everyone else, has no clue what could have caused it.

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                • #9
                  Great going Ken. You are by far the leader in finding these doubled dies.

                  Congratulations and PLEASE keep up the great work.

                  BJ
                  Member of: ANA, CCC, CONECA, Fly-in-club, FUN, NLG & T.E.V.E.C.

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                  • #10
                    From my last post above... FYI: I just got word back from Wexler on a recent submission. The PA quarter from the original post having doubling at the back of the ear was listed by Wexler as a DDO.
                    I received my coins back from Wexler -- and the statement I made above is incorrect. The PA 25c with doubling behind the ear was not listed by Wexler. He believes it to be die deterioration. I sent a couple of different potential PA DDOs in this batch. He did list the two minor PA earlobe varieties I sent in, but not the one with doubling behind the ear (see 1st photo in the post).

                    I just wanted to correct my misinformation. Sorry about that.

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