1969D Jefferson 5c DDO DDR????

[Novicetoerr]

Hello to ALL again,

Let us know if we ID'ed correctly. Many thanks again!

NVTEs

[mustbebob]

Basically, there is nothing of importance on this coin.
I really think we need to go back a few months to where we advised you that you may be looking too hard, and seeing things that aren't there. I will piggy back on a statement that was made by a few members here. Your magnification is way too high, and your imagination a bit too vivid. I am not saying that to be mean or disrespectful, but the point is that not a lot has changed from when you originally started putting pics here. Believe me when I tell you that once you find genuine varieties and/or errors, you will normally know it. Those are the ones we want to see here.

[Novicetoerr]

Thanks again and we'll all heed the unnecessary use of much higher mag.
We'll use as needed.

NVTEs

[jazzcoins]

That's machine doubling it's very obvious
Jazzcoins Joe

[diamond]

That's machine doubling it's very obvious
Jazzcoins Joe

I see no evidence of machine doubling. What is the basis of your conclusion?

[jazzcoins]

I see no evidence of machine doubling. What is the basis of your conclusion?

There's clear evidence on the date that;s were you could really spot it Mike as well as other elements on the coin.

Jazz

[mustbebob]

I don't see any machine doubling either Jazz. I think the lighting may have got you this time.

[wavysteps]

Jazzcoins - I wish you would refrain from make conclusions that are baseless. In this case there is no evidence of machine doubling.

If you are trying to impress us with your knowledge of error and variety coins, you are going about it all wrong, not only in this forum but other forums as well.

As I stated in the other forum, misinformation is not to be tolerated for it is misleading to others who may read it and take what you said as true.

BJ Neff

[jazzcoins]

I have enlarged the photo BJ just take a close look at the date again. The date has indications of Machine doubling look at the shelf like image . I have no intentions to impress anybody here i'm not a kid ,jiust trying to give an accurate descrption of the coin for others to learn , not the experts .

I will not make any false observations unless I was absolutely positive what the diagonostics is. there is also indications on the other the elements of the coin if you examine it throughly hast makes waste . Well maybe you will ban me from this site but if you wish to do that it;s your right. I just want to say something not all experts are right sometimes they make honest mistakes too and i don;t claim to be an expert but i do have alot of knowledge in the error f ield even through you may think i don;t that;s your opinion .

I would like all the threads in other forums that i have gave the wrong informatio, and i will back them up ,because i don;t see any here that i can;t back up. and if it is one or two what differeance does it make i;m only human just like the experts are, and they make wrong diagonostics too.


Thanks jazzcoins Joe ,and a healthy New year to you.

[wavysteps]

I have just reread all your post on CONECA forum Jazz and while this forum gives you the right to express your opinion, it also gives us the right to correct what we think is an error in that information given. In your case it does seem that the information is off base more than often. I also believe that at times you tend to be to critical, but that is just my opinion.

As far as being banned from a this site, it has not entered my mind. Moreover, that would be Mike Diamond's prerogative and not mine since I am just a moderater.

I would hope that you use better judgment when looking at these post and pictures and not be so affirmative with your answers. NO EXPERT will tell you that it is a new doubled die from just pictures alone and ALL EXPERTS require an in hand examination to confirm that it is in fact a doubled die.

As to other posts on other forums, I commented on just that one where you came up with some off the wall die number that did not exist in any filing system. I will not go over that again.

In the future, try and use a bit more common sense when entering posts.

BJ Neff

[diamond]

I have no intention of banning Jazzcoins Joe. It will simply require a bit more work from the rest of us to correct the misinformation that he regularly supplies to our members.

[jazzcoins]

I have no intention of banning Jazzcoins Joe. It will simply require a bit more work from the rest of us to correct the misinformation that he regularly supplies to our members.

I don;t regularly supply misinformation give me the proof here that i did that on a regular basis ,and that is misinformation on your part, you are insulting me to the other members on this forum

I would say maybe one out of a hundred times i posted my opinion in any other forums that,I could have used the wrong terminolgy ,and that;s it. You are absolutley wrong in making a comment like that proof it to me please list the threads, and I will abandon my self from this forum . I don't want to cause any friction here it doesn't matter to me there are plenty of other forums on the net there is not that much activity here anyway and I wonder why.

Jazzcoins Joe Take care

[jazzcoins]

The comment you made is an insult to me here to the other members on this forum.

I would say one out of a hundred opinions I gave on other forums as well , that I have used the wrong terminolgy ,and that's surely not on a regular basis.


This is not the only forum on the net, but please give me proof of the threads that i have been giving misinformation on ,and if it is enough then i will abandon myself from this forum I'm am not here to cause any friction with other knowledgeable people here ,it doesn't matter to me ,like i said there are other forums,and there's not that much activity here anyway it makes me wonder why. not a comfortable site at all.

Thank you once again Jazzcoins joe

[Novicetoerr]

Dear ALL,
First of all, thanks again for your continued feedbacks.

Basically, we agree tha the criticism was too harsh. Sometimes can't avoid.
But we can make this forum healthier, possibly avoiding direct personal criticisms, but possibly just expressing dislikes to the 'situation'.

Such expressions of differing views (or attributions, in this case) make this
forum a good source of knowledge, especially for novices like us, 3 NVTEs.

And we THANK Jazzcoins Joe and the rest for such exxhanges.

Note that us 3 NOVICES do not take forum's inputs (whether from experts or non-experts) as always final. Amidst the forum readers' inputs, we make our own final judgement, sometimes because we see the coins much better than the pictures we posted. Sometimes, we do not further expand some dialogues, as they may not be too helpful to all. Sometimes we return with additional photos or responses as we know we can dig further knowledge.

Jazzcoins Joe and ALL, hope you consider those exchanges as just one of
the 'normal attributes' of forums such as this. And hope to get continued exchanges of your assessments, whether aligned or contradictory.
Us novices (and other participants, though not speaking for them) sure have our own personal judgments to make our own conclusions after the exchanges.

Thank you ALL again. Will be posting very soon again.
Us 3 NVTEs

[mustbebob]

You bring up some valid points NVTEs. I think no one is intentionally trying to put anyone off. I do think that anything viewed as a photo is flawed in that it is only 2 dimensional. As wavysteps alluded to, unless we are absolutely sure that we can attribute a coin based on a photo, we will generally not give a final word until we have had the opportunity to examine it IN HAND. You must also realize that extremely minor stuff still takes time to photograph and post. Those are the items you should probably refrain from posting as they are normally too minor to list, or not worth the cost of attribution and postage.
I am sure I speak for Mike Diamond, and BJ Neff in that we want this forum to be a library of sorts, and contain a wealth of knowledge. We don't mind answering your questions and giving you our OPINIONS. These are based on many decades of experience for each of us.
I would also consider it an injustice to our membership if we didn't point out inaccurate or misleading information. There doesn't need to be any mudslinging here, and I know nothing was intentional. However, if some one's feelings get hurt, we should consider it all part of the learning experience.