Another 1969-D DDR Kennedy Half Dollar

[Tim]

I sent this coin into James Wiles for attribution back on December 30, 2016. This is what he had to say:

“I suspect these will turn out to be a working hub DDR. I told Larry previously that I wanted to wait on these until I am ready to do serious research on them, then I would assemble all he had and work through the die states, markers, etc. So hold on to this one until then. I can’t match it to anything that is currently listed.”

I guess James Wiles didn’t have a chance to work on the 1969-D Kennedy half dollars before the Board of Directors severed its relationship with James Wiles. With publishing all of his eBooks, I can understand why James Wiles ran out of time.

It has been nearly two years since the Board of Directors stopped working with James Wiles and still no replacement plan has been initiated across all series and denominations. From my viewpoint, a plan for replacing James Wiles as an attributor should have been worked out before the Board of Directors terminated that relationship.

The variety collectors of our club are the ones that have been penalized by the Board of Directors decision to end James Wiles attributing our coins with out a viable plan to replace him.

It would be nice if the Board of Directors would extend an olive branch to James Wiles to see if a dialog could be open for him to continue to attribute die varieties for our club and maybe he could finish some of the projects like the 1969-D DDR Kennedy half dollars.

Just my 2 cents on the subject,
Tim

[MintErrors]

Thanks for the update. Kennedy half dollars are some of my favorite coins.


I personally am going to sit out the possible political debate, mainly due to the fact we do not have all the information from both sides. Mr. Wiles is courteous and points people who wish to have CONECA numbers to CONECA, even offering a URL to visit.

The CONECA master listings are coming to life, and that is a good thing. Updated photos, and decent info. I know revamping all of that takes time. It's a ton of photos and attributions to do, to include die markers.

The only slight heartburn I have with all of the revamping is, the dropping of the URS numbers for varieties. Now, in my opinion, it is very difficult to know exactly what is scarce, rare, uncommon or common when it comes to the varieties on the CONECA master listings.

[Tim]

Thanks for the update. Kennedy half dollars are some of my favorite coins.


I personally am going to sit out the possible political debate, mainly due to the fact we do not have all the information from both sides. Mr. Wiles is courteous and points people who wish to have CONECA numbers to CONECA, even offering a URL to visit.

The CONECA master listings are coming to life, and that is a good thing. Updated photos, and decent info. I know revamping all of that takes time. It's a ton of photos and attributions to do, to include die markers.

The only slight heartburn I have with all of the revamping is, the dropping of the URS numbers for varieties. Now, in my opinion, it is very difficult to know exactly what is scarce, rare, uncommon or common when it comes to the varieties on the CONECA master listings.

Gary,

I understand why you want to sit out the possible political debate, but I have to disagree with you on the fact that we do not have all the information from both sides. I would say we have no information, and I really have no problem with that.

I do not want to get into anything political in this thread, I just would like to see both parties start a dialog with each other to see if common ground can be found.

I know James Wiles had several projects laid out, the determination if there was a working hub for the reverse of the 1969-D Kennedy half dollar was just one of them (which this thread is about).

A few months after the Board and James Wiles went their separate ways, I was asked to attribute Kennedy varieties for the club, I know another member was also asked and I will let him chime in if he wants to. I respectfully declined, I felt it would be a conflict of interest for me to attribute in this series. I am still an avid collector of the series and over the years, I have sent several hundred half dollars to James Wiles for attribution, lately I have just sent them to him for confirmation of their variety. Over the years, I have received the dreaded “Too minor to list” many times and when examining the coins when they came back, many of the coins I had to question why I even sent them in in the first place but there are a few coins I scratch what little hair I have left on my head as to why it didn’t make a listing. If I were to attribute Kennedy half dollars, it would be to easy list varieties that a neutral an unbiased attributor would not. To me, an attributor should have no vested interest in the outcome.

I have no problem commenting on a thread here in the forums to point the OP in the right direction of what variety they are posting but normally I notice that Larry already has.

Gary, if you like errors, you might check out our partial set here of just PCGS graded Kennedy errors. It is not much but they are fun to collect:

https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/errors/calebs-kennedy-error-half-dollars/2045

Have fun collecting,
Tim

[HeartWith02]

Tim-

You're wasting your time and spinning your wheels posting here. Guys like Bob and Gray are pretty much the only guys that post and respond here. And posting the same responses over and over again! They (in my opinion) are just a mouth piece here to keep the natives happy. They are not the "go-to" guys! The real "go-to" guys (with the answers), rarely respond here.

In addition to that, when they don't have an answer; they close the thread! For your reading pleasure:

https://board.conecaonline.org/forum...on-the-reverse

[MintErrors]

Yes, sir... I collect them myself. A few spoils (total somewhere around 40-50) that I have are;

(1) 1964 MS67
(1) 1964 Deep Die cap
(1) Bicentennial Proof struck on a 1 Piso Philippines' planchet
ND 75% off center Kennedy

A decent amount of DDO's, DDR's and RPM's with a few handfuls of doubled dies with an RPM.

The Die cap and the Proof on the 1 Piso Philippines' planchet can be seen on my web site.

[Tim]

MintErrors - That 1964 Deep Die Cap is gorgeous!

[mustbebob]

You're wasting your time and spinning your wheels posting here. Guys like Bob and Gray are pretty much the only guys that post and respond here. And posting the same responses over and over again! They (in my opinion) are just a mouth piece here to keep the natives happy. They are not the "go-to" guys! The real "go-to" guys (with the answers), rarely respond here.

In addition to that, when they don't have an answer; they close the thread! For your reading pleasure:

https://board.conecaonline.org/forum...on-the-reverse

This is what a disgruntled collector who doesn't get his way sounds like. There are only so many ways to say it is not what you think or want. That makes me a re-peat offender (get it!) But...that's OK. I have 54 years of experience but know nothing either. So remember Tim...Heartwith02 is correct. The real go-to guys don't come here, so why does he? Interesting.

[HeartWith02]

This is what a disgruntled collector who doesn't get his way sounds like. There are only so many ways to say it is not what you think or want. That makes me a re-peat offender (get it!) But...that's OK. I have 54 years of experience but know nothing either. So remember Tim...Heartwith02 is correct. The real go-to guys don't come here, so why does he? Interesting.

I'm not a disgruntled collector. Actually, I'm a very motivated collector. Congratulations, on your 54 years of experience. That makes you about 45 years older then me. The only problem is Bob, you're apparently a Lincoln Cent Attributer. You're not the go-to guy I need to speak with. I'm looking for a Small Dollar coin attributer.

"So remember Tim...Heartwith02 is correct. The real go-to guys don't come here, so why does he? Interesting."

You're right Bob..... Why would I (or others) want to come here? Since it's only a CONECA forum on a CONECA website, I thought this was the best places to come for attribution; I guess not! The joke's on me.

I do still appreciate your feedback though.

Tim

[MintErrors]

I add problem people to the ignore list. In my opinion...Someone might practice a masters of disgruntlement on a mirror. They just might get a response. If one wants to self destruct about A Single coin......geeesh. I wonder how many coins one has and whether the "treatment" will be the same for each .

At least I have answers. The reason the answers are the same is because the Outcome is the same. I am planning on writing a canned answer for all the MD I see. Saves typing.

Anyway I don't need to defend my stance. It's pretty solid.

Jamez may read this and end this right of disgruntlement at least for one.

[MintErrors]

MintErrors - That 1964 Deep Die Cap is gorgeous!

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Thank you sir.

It will be a sad day when it sells. I talked to Fred W. about that one and the bicentennial on a wrong foreign planchet before I made a move to get them. Prices were right and the bi-centennial might be a unique piece, which I need to see if I can find any other past listings. It matches up pretty close to the Phlippines 1 Piso planchet.

Happy collecting to you as well.

[mustbebob]

The only problem is Bob, you're apparently a Lincoln Cent Attributer.

You are absolutely correct. However, that does not disqualify me from answering questions on other denominations. The way they are made is the same.
It does not make me just a CONECA mouth piece here. If you think it is simple, you are free to try and do what I do every day. I do not hate anyone, and I am not vindictive enough to just close posts or ban people without good reasons like you already said. When you are out of line, I will simply let you know. Period!

[HeartWith02]

You are absolutely correct. However, that does not disqualify me from answering questions on other denominations. The way they are made is the same.
It does not make me just a CONECA mouth piece here. If you think it is simple, you are free to try and do what I do every day. I do not hate anyone, and I am not vindictive enough to just close posts or ban people without good reasons like you already said. When you are out of line, I will simply let you know. Period!

I do appreciate your honesty. And I know you appreciate my honesty.

I would not attempt to do what you do here everyday, because it would be a major waste of time. If I was you, I would spend less time here doing nonsense and more time using your professional skills to actually attribute coins. Period!

[mustbebob]

I would spend less time here doing nonsense and more time using your professional skills to actually attribute coins. Period!

This is the first thing that you and I can completely agree on. However, I am getting too old and suffer from other things that impede my ability to attribute. I still have the passion but not the drive or eyesight.

Either way, I will leave this forum soon enough. I feel I can still help in the hobby until I butt heads with people. I wish some folks would just understand that this is all voluntary. I feel I have helped hundreds of folks here. Unfortunately, like you already mentioned, a lot of it requires the very same answer.

[Tim]

This is the first thing that you and I can completely agree on. However, I am getting too old and suffer from other things that impede my ability to attribute. I still have the passion but not the drive or eyesight.

Either way, I will leave this forum soon enough. I feel I can still help in the hobby until I butt heads with people. I wish some folks would just understand that this is all voluntary. I feel I have helped hundreds of folks here. Unfortunately, like you already mentioned, a lot of it requires the very same answer.

Not everybody is disgruntled with your answers Bob, so there is no need to leave.

I read in a previous post,

They are not the "go-to" guys! The real "go-to" guys (with the answers), rarely respond here.

Well, long story short: For the series that I collect, besides James Wiles himself, Atrox001 is the "go-to" guy for Kennedy half dollar varieties, and I notice any thread about a DDO, DDR, or RPM of a Kennedy half dollar, Larry tries to answer.

[HeartWith02]

This is the first thing that you and I can completely agree on. However, I am getting too old and suffer from other things that impede my ability to attribute. I still have the passion but not the drive or eyesight.

Either way, I will leave this forum soon enough. I feel I can still help in the hobby until I butt heads with people. I wish some folks would just understand that this is all voluntary. I feel I have helped hundreds of folks here. Unfortunately, like you already mentioned, a lot of it requires the very same answer.

I know we agree on much more then we disagree on. We both have a passion for coins and this hobby, that's all that matters.