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  • signofthedimes
    • Jan 2023
    • 2127

    Do you think this definition entitlement is enough to garner weight of conviction?

    ***EDITED

    Turns out this is a rare case of a proof die being reworked after Sept 3rd 1964 law passed for the 1965 Coinage Act. The law that gave the US Mint authorization to re use 1964 dies. That law passed while the mint was still striking 1964 proof coinage.

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    Last edited by signofthedimes; 12-28-2025, 10:04 PM.
  • eaxtellcoin
    RPM Dealer Specialist
    • Feb 2008
    • 977

    #2
    I think this is more a die gouge on the master die. This photo is from a working die. Same abnormality and I found it only searching 4 rolls from our area 1964_Bar_Over_L.jpg .

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    • eaxtellcoin
      RPM Dealer Specialist
      • Feb 2008
      • 977

      #3
      I found a few more of the die gouge from different working dies. How do I know the working dies are different? - Marker's are one way. The other way and way more time consuming is to take a photo of each coin. Same angles shot one after the other. If you line up the rims and """OVERLAY""", you can see that the date has a different position for each working die. Here are the original coin I had brightened, then another coin from a different roll. Same die gouge, different dies - so the marker you are trying to use on the 1964 SMS will narrow down the dies 1964-1964.jpg 1964_Gouge_4date(2).jpg 1964_Gouge_4date.jpg yes, but this is not a good diffinitive marker to find an SMS 1964 Cent. I would look them up on line. It appears there were only basically 2 dozen sets made and most if not all have been slabed already.

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      • signofthedimes
        • Jan 2023
        • 2127

        #4
        Originally posted by eaxtellcoin View Post
        I found a few more of the die gouge from different working dies. How do I know the working dies are different? - Marker's are one way. The other way and way more time consuming is to take a photo of each coin. Same angles shot one after the other. If you line up the rims and """OVERLAY""", you can see that the date has a different position for each working die. Here are the original coin I had brightened, then another coin from a different roll. Same die gouge, different dies - so the marker you are trying to use on the 1964 SMS will narrow down the dies 1964-1964.jpg 1964_Gouge_4date(2).jpg 1964_Gouge_4date.jpg yes, but this is not a good diffinitive marker to find an SMS 1964 Cent. I would look them up on line. It appears there were only basically 2 dozen sets made and most if not all have been slabed already.

        I guess I answered my own question in what else was like SMS at that time. Reusing 1964 dies was the name of the goal for the 1965 Coinage Act. Keeping die life more prominent for longer. All I know is law passed on Sept 3 1964 that 1964 dies could begin to be reused.

        A reworked 1965 coinage act die.
        Last edited by signofthedimes; 12-28-2025, 10:06 PM.

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        • eaxtellcoin
          RPM Dealer Specialist
          • Feb 2008
          • 977

          #5
          No big deal. Since you really didn't specify what you were looking for in the title. I ""assumed"" and waisted time showing that this marker shouldn't be used to identify a 1964 SMS in dealers stock or at coin shows. It's to general a marker. I have to admit I have bought some beat up, circulated proof nickels looking for that SMS. It has a nice die scratch North/South with the steps I still look for! Good luck, keep up the hunt!

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