1938D/S FS511

[Shleppodella1]

Now I'm 99.9% sure that this Buffalo I came across at a yard sale this summer is a FS511 North and it's in AU condition I would say wouldthis be worthy of getting graded? Also is that doubling in LIBERTY or MDS that's not quite reached LDS status yet?

[IvoR1!]

I’m no expert, and I can’t say with confidence about any doubling in Liberty, but it definitely looks like a D over S.
In that condition is sweet too.

[MintErrors]

This looks very promising.

PCGS.com lists four D/S varieties.
The prices for the slabbed (encapsulated) versions are surprisingly low.
This means that if you decided to send it in you would have to do it for protection and potentially keeping it for some time.

I try to remain neutral when people ask if they should send it in to get slabbed.
It's cost vs reason. If it's for resale, then you need to add up the total cost to get it done. ANACS might be the cheapest of them all, but choice would be up to you.

I will bow out from the grading question, since this is obviously a raw coin.

https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/...k-fs-511/38476

[eaxtellcoin]

Moving this topic to the Die Variety Forum.
This is FS-05-1938D-511
The price of attribution and slabbing has went way up in the last 10 years. I would seriously look at the prices for ANACS, PCGS,NGC and the others before you spend this kind of $$$$. In my oppinion the coin is NOT worth the price of the slab, But this is your coin!!!!! Ask yourself are you keeping it for yourself a very long time or giving it to a child? Then maybe the $$ doesn't matter. It all comes down to your choice!
Hope this helps.
Eric

[Shleppodella1]

Thanks for the input I really appreciate it and sorry for posting in the wrong places I will start putting RPM'S & varieties in this one only & all others in general forum.

I was asking the encapsulating question on the basis of the stats mentioned to me from PCGS & the numistic value(error itself) vs money in pocket/grading cost because of the condition of the coin I was thinking preservation for future numistatists to enjoy, study the coin which is were my heart is and of course it would assist in maybe "locking in" the value to some extent. The numbers are less than a half percent of original mintage (.05%) if my math is correct.
Also my mistake for not stating myself clearer on this earlier I'm still learning, but still no excuse on my behalf.

mintage: 7,020,000
Regular D strike : 150,000= all grades
100,00= 60 or better
80,000= 65 or better
D/S error strike : 20,000 all grades
7,000= 60 or better
6,000= 65 or better

[eaxtellcoin]

What i'm getting at, and Gary is trying to say; around about, is we cannot value a coin for you. Not here. I will say that this variety went the entire die's life, it's not rare - at least in my area. I've found them in other dealers lots for years. I hardly ever sell them on my page. To me, as a dealer; there common in my area. I have a real problem with folks calling everything rare. Just because a variety is less common in one area doesn't mean it's less common everywhere. rambling on a soar subject!

Look at e-bay sales for a 38-D/S in a Circ slab. - look at Great Collections winning bids / auction archive - doe some investigating. Then decide on wheather you really want to spend as much as the coin is worth. - from my standpoint - putting it in a slab. Remember this is your decision - can you live with spending alot of $$$ that you may/may not get your money back? It's your food for thought.
Good Luck!
Eric

[MintErrors]

The link I gave in my post above is showing what this coin typically goes for.

Now for future reference, to send this in to ANACS - potentially the cheapest of the three would be:

8 bucks to mail/insure to get it to ANACS. Free if you take it to a coin show and submit to an ANACS representative.

Grading/slabbing if the only coin, somewhere about 20 bucks

Verification fee, not sure but close to 10 bucks

Return postage and shipping at least 24 bucks

That's close to 60 bucks. They do offer discounts on SOME services IF you sign up and become an "ANACS insider". if you send in more than one coin, they may offer show specials which lower the per coin cost and then if the claimedvalue can remain at a low level, insurance and postage is manageable.

I agree 100% with Eric. It's up to the coin owner to decide why they want to slab a coin. If it's for educational purposes, one also has to weigh the possibility to take more photos of the coin in the future through the slab. Which can at times, be very frustrating. If you decide to send it in you can research the prices by simply going to your favorite search engine and typing in

NGC coin grading fees
PCGS coin grading fees
ANACS coin grading fees

For the record, I am not trying to be evasive, snobby or unhelpful by not committing to saying yes or no to slabbing some one else's coin. It's really up to the owner, and honesty any reason is fine to get it done. Just know it can be pricey and can take at least 5-7 weeks to be completed before being returned to you. The owner has to accept the cost, time and risks associated with this type of service.

A Cheaper way out would be to get CONECA to verify it for you. Eric may know if they offer an email or letter. A COIN WORLD snap tight holder would work. It's easier than a smaller Airtite circular holder. Ahhhhhh choice, choices....

[eaxtellcoin]

Morning. Since this variety is in the ""Red Book"" all he would need to do is add 1938-D/S to the submission form and ANACS, PCGS, NGC would add that 1938-D/S to the slab just for the cost of the slab - no extra attribution fee. This attached ONLY applies to this variety. If the coin was OMM#002 through #005 then he would need to pay for the verification fee..

[MintErrors]

eaxtellcoin Eric, I did not know PCGS and NGC dropped the attribution fee. Nice to know. My question in general was if was cheaper to get CONECA to attribute this. I don't know if CONECA offers an email or letter with attribution results of a coin. I know it can be a lot cheaper, and another option to consider.

[eaxtellcoin]

If he sends the coin in to PCGS,NGC,ANACS and it IS Die 001 - Since the coin is in Red Book they will add ONLY 1938-D/S to the slab. If he wants the specialization like FS-05-1938D-511 (020.5) then he will have to pay the verification fee. It's always been this way Gary as long as they don't ask for specialization and the coin IS the proper variety.

A submitter could use an e-mail for verification ONLY if the coin IS already in a SLAB. The slab # verifies the coin that was viewed and documented in the letter.

Consider this: how can a raw coin be verified by a letter?

The only other option I have seen, in the past, would be the attributer's send the coins in to ANACS or whomever, for the submitter. Dr. Wiles did this before with ANACS.
I cannot answer if this option is still available. That would be up to the board for review.

[Shleppodella1]

THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP!!!! I was bound & determined to get one and to get it right so now look out........... also, any pointers on were to read up on double dies other than variety-vista and doubledie.com I'm having a hard time with "the shelving" aspect of it please, what I think is one is not, so that means then real one's are getting by then one would think?
I did some checking and ANACS is the way to go on errors price wise compared to PCGS & NGC, but I've noticed a lot of collector's cringe at ANACS which I don't understand completely because they were first were they not, not those two and they're a part of the ANA the goto place for info about coins and banknotes?

[MintErrors]

THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP!!!!

I did some checking and ANACS is the way to go on errors price wise compared to PCGS & NGC, but I've noticed a lot of collector's cringe at ANACS which I don't understand completely because they were first were they not, not those two and they're a part of the ANA the goto place for info about coins and banknotes?

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In my opinion, I think some people do not like their style of holder.
ANACS grades coins pretty strict. I like this since the grade actually reflects the true grade of the coin. I think other places might grade a little looser. I am not going to light a fire for debate, that's just my story, and I am sticking to it.

I don't do banknotes, so I cannot help you there. I can imagine NGC's paper money authentication is pretty popular with veteran collectors.

In the end, I can imagine some of the grading companies might use the same examiners or attributors, so in some ways they are close to the same when it comes to errors and varieties. It's the grading that matters. It's all about choices. If NGC was equal in price point with ANACS, I would have sent everything in to be slabbed by NGC. I like their labels and holders. It's a more natural white and appealing to me. But, in the end, it's all about price point.

[occnumis2021]

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i think another way is for any variety in the pcgs pops as a variety with a regular cert number (short, not long) it is a free generic attribution (like you said, no FS #)?

paid varieties have the longer cert numbers.